FAQ Start a stationary engine - HOWTO
What is probably the most common item of information we need
when we're starting out with an engine for the first time, whether it
be our first engine, or a type we've never seen before? How do I start
it! While we all like to pretend that when we receive a "new" engine we
carefully check it over by taking it apart and verifying it is in a condition
to be started, the real story for most of us (me included) is that within
minutes of getting it home (or in my case with my first engine I did it
where it sat after buying it) we try and make it go. We want to see the
satisfying sight of the engine bursting into life to justify the cash and
effort we just poured into its acquisition!
This article is the result of a question I posted to the Stationary
Engine Mailing list calling for submissions on how people start their
various engines. I received a pretty good response, and for my part have
contributed starting procedures for each of the engine types I've got
running in my possession. Generally speaking, all engines start in approximately
the same way - you spin them over until they fire :)... ok so it is not
quite that simple with most of them...
Lubrication
Note all of these starting directions skip one key point - if
your engine has external oiling through drop oiler(s) turn them on immediately
the engine starts to fire so it does not seize up!. For my oilers I
use a drop or two per minute per horsepower. For example for a 3HP engine,
I use between 3 and 6 drops per minute. If you are getting a lot of oil
thrown around during running you're probably using too much and should
cut it back a bit. I test the drops per minute with the engine stopped
because often you cannot see the drips when the engine is running because
the air pressure in the tube splats the drip all over the inside of the
sight glass when it falls. If you have this problem you might try putting
a check valve under the oiler, or drilling a hole in the sight feed tube
to relieve pressure. Remember to close the oiler when you stop the engine
or you'll get covered in it next time you start.
If your engine has grease cups, before starting open each cup
and top it off, screw it down until grease appears around whatever part
it lubricates, open and top off again. Every hour or so I screw mine
in a quarter turn.
Before starting I also go over the engine and oil all the stated
oiling points. In addition I put a small amount of oil into each exposed
gear and other moving bits (like valve stems, the pivot point on a governor
etc.). You don't need much oil, just a very thin film. If your engine
is throwing oil around while it is running it is probably getting too much
from you!
Enough fuel
Nearly all the petrol and kerosene directions talk about closing
the needle valve after starting until the engine runs clean. You start
with a very rich mixture (lots of fuel) which would quickly carbon up
an engine and kill it (not permanently!) if left that way and use way
too much fuel. After the engine starts firing, slowly close the needle
valve a little after each fire until there is no more black smoke coming
out of the exhaust while the engine is running. Stop AS SOON AS THERE IS
NO SMOKE - DO NOT LEAN IT OF FURTHER! If you make the mixture too lean
the engine will run too hot and die (potentially permanently!).
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General Tips
General Tip To Start
Almost Any Engine
General
small engines of 2½ HP or less
Specific Engines or Types of Engine
1/2 breed 15HP Natural
Gas two cycle (ex steam engine)
Abenaque (6HP)
hit and miss with magneto
Associated
Commando two stroke
Cooper KA hit-n-miss
(Similar for Stover K series)
Fairbanks Morse type RE 50hp
Fairbanks Morse
ZC-52 throttle governed with magneto ignition
Fairbanks-Morse
ZC-52 throttle governed with solid-state ignition
Galoway 16HP ignitor
hit-n-miss
Galloway 2 1/4 HP Early
Style
Hercules/Jaeger/Economy
IHC Famous (8HP)
hit and miss ignitor engine
Kohler light plant
Large compressor / engine
with shared crank shaft
Lister Diesel Engine Marks
3-1, 5-1, 10-2 (and probably for 6-1 and 12-2 as well) - the Lister 'CS'
series.
Lister 10-2 Diesel Engine
(and probably 12-2 as well)
Lister LD series
diesel (similar for LD, LT, and ST models)
Maytag model 92
(similar all horizontal models)
Ottawa horizontal
type throttle governed type TE
Rosebery Vertical 2,3,4 or 6hp petrol/kerosene
Southern Cross PB (fig
1081) engine (Similar for Lister L Kerosene engine)
Stickney hit and miss
with ignitor
Witte 2HP run on Kerosene
Witte side shaft (9hp)
.
Rosebery vertical (same for 2, 3, 4, and
6 HP models)
Submitted by Paul Pavlinovich
To run on petrol
- Open the main needle valve 2 turns
- Oil the shaft where the hand crank fits on and inside
of the crank handle
- Fit the crank handle
- Hold the crank handle with your thumb folded in (so it
does not get ripped off if the engine fires backwards)
- Slowly crank the engine while holding your hand over
the air intake until fuel runs out of the intake
- Crank the engine several times quickly and she should
start firing, immediately it fires pull off the crank
- Slowly close the needle valve until the engine fires
evenly and there is no more black smoke from the exhaust
If you want to run the engine on kerosene, modify the starting procedure
so that
- Fill the starting bowl on the mixer with petrol
- Open the starting needle valve 2 turns
- Oil the shaft where the hand crank fits on and inside
of the crank handle
- Fit the crank handle
- Hold the crank handle with your thumb folded in (so
it does not get ripped off if the engine fires backwards)
- Slowly crank the engine while holding your hand over
the air intake until fuel runs out of the intake
- Crank the engine several times quickly and she should
start firing, immediately it fires pull off the crank
- Slowly close the throttle valve until the engine fires
evenly and there is no more black smoke from the exhaust
- Once the engine is good and hot, let it run until the
petrol in the starting bowl runs out
- Then close the starting needle valve
- Open the main needle valve 2 turns
- Once the engine starts to fire again, slowly close the
needle valve until the engine fires evenly and there is no more black
smoke from the exhaust
Note if you are running on kerosene, I've always had to refill
the starting bowl a couple of times with petrol before it is hot enough
to run on kerosene. Also if you are not going to work the engine and
you want to run on kerosene, only put enough water in the hopper to
cover the top of the head otherwise it will run cold, carbon up and die.
Lister LD series
diesel (similar for LD, LT, and ST models)
Submitted by Paul Pavlinovich
- Open the main fuel valve at the base of the tank (if
you have one, not all of them do - I think they were added post factory?)
- Open the compression release lever on each cylinder
- Turn the fuel pump control to the Start position (to
do this, you have to pull it out and turn it anti-clockwise over the
"stop" then let it go back in)
- Open the throttle about 1/4 way
- Oil the crank shaft and inside of the crank handle
- Crank at about 10 rpm until you hear the injectors start
to "spurt" (they make a creaking noise)
- Speed up your cranking and pull off the crank
- Quickly flip any one of the compressor levers over to
compression before the engine slows down, if the engine starts to fire,
flip the other levers (if you have more than one cylinder!) over to compression
- do NOT continue to run the engine with any of the levers open or you
might loose a valve and piston!
- After the engine warms up, turn the fuel pump lever to
run
To stop the engine, just turn the fuel pump lever to stop and
hold it there until the engine dies.
Commando two stroke
Submitted by Paul Pavlinovich
My Commando is VERY hard to start... one of these days I'll be
bothered to figure out why...
- Open the needle valve one turn
- Engage the "kick crank" and push the engine slowly through
compression with your hand over the air intake a couple of times re-engaging
the kick crank each time it is thrown off
- Engage the kick crank again and quickly push the engine
through compression, on about the 100th time it will fire and run spewing
oily smoke everywhere until it warms up.
To stop the engine close the needle valve.
Southern Cross PB (fig
1081) engine (Similar for Lister L Kerosene engine)
Submitted by Paul Pavlinovich
To run on petrol
- Open the main needle valve 2 turns
- Oil the shaft where the hand crank fits on and inside
of the crank handle
- Fit the crank handle
- Using the hand lever, manually pump the combined fuel/oil
pump until the starting bowl in the carburettor fills with petrol
- Hold the crank handle with your thumb folded in (so it
does not get ripped off if the engine fires backwards)
- Close the choke lever completely
- Slowly crank the engine until it fires (you have to crank
slowly because it has an impulse trip on the magneto, and if you crank
too fast it will not trip, but also will not be fast enough to fire the
magneto normally)
- Immediately it fires pull off the crank (if it did not
already throw it off - mine usually does)
- Slowly close the needle valve until the engine fires
evenly and there is no more black smoke from the exhaust
- After the engine warms up open up the choke slightly
to give it a little more air - you may need to readjust the needle valve
to get clean exhaust again
To stop the engine, just close the needle valve.
If you want to run the engine on kerosene, modify the starting procedure
so that
Instead of the manual pumping in step 4, fill the starting bowl
on the mixer with petrol but do everything else the same. You may need
to do this more than once. If you need to repeat the procedure, drain
the mixer back into the tank by lifting out the overflow pipe out of
the mixer.
Ottawa horizontal
type throttle governed type TE
Submitted by Paul Pavlinovich
My procedure is slightly abnormal because my trip mechanism is
badly warn and not yet replaced. You can skip step one if your mechanism
is in good condition.
- Insert a shim between the nut and the main spring on
the magneto trip mechanism to retard the spark
- Set the run lever to STOP (uppermost position) - this
stops the magneto firing
- Set the throttle lever to fully open (almost touching
the flywheel)
- Open the needle valve a full turn
- Pull the engine up until the compression point (near
TDC) but not through compression pull it back
- With your hand blocking the air intake pull the engine
up until compression, remove your hand and pull it back
- Repeat until a strong jet of fuel blasts (as a mist not
as a trickle) out of the bottom of the mixer
- Set the run lever to "START" (first position below "STOP")
- Pull the engine up to compression, and then strongly
pull it through - it will probably fire
- Pull the shim out of the trip mechanism and set the run
lever to "RUN" (mine does not seem to care if it is in position 3 or
4)
- After the engine warms up a bit, push the throttle lever
all the way into the engine casing - be really careful, this lever
is between the spinning flywheel and the engine!
To stop the engine, close the needle valve and (if you like)
press the short button on the magneto. If you are going to restart
the engine soon, don't close the needle valve just push the stop button
then you can probably avoid steps 5 through 7 next time if the engine
is still warm.
Cooper KA hit-n-miss
(Similar for Stover K series)
Submitted by Paul Pavlinovich
- Open the needle valve two turns
- Close the choke plate on the mixer
- Open the fuel tap if you have one
- With your hand over the mixer intake slowly pull the engine
through compression until fuel runs out of the mixer
- Pull the engine through compression hard and it will fire
and run
- Slowly close the needle valve until the engine runs clean
- After the engine warms up open the choke plate a little
- you may have to adjust the mixer again
To stop the engine, just close the needle valve.
Your engine might have a lever to advance/retard the spark, if
it does, retard it to start the engine then advance it to the normal
position after starting.
Maytag model 92 (similar
all horizontal models)
Submitted by Paul Pavlinovich
- Open the needle valve 1/3 turn.
- Kick the starter a couple of times
- The engine starts (or putts and dies - see later)
- After the engine warms up
- Slowly close the needle valve until it runs clean (hey,
don't laugh - if you get the two-stroke mix right they run pretty clean
- a little blue smoke is expected and ok)
To stop the engine, just close the needle valve.
My maytag did run before I pulled it apart to restore it, it
always took about six or seven kicks to get it to go. I've not finished
the restoration, so I'll let you know how I go. I do know that the gaskets
in the maytag are absolutely critical - especially those sealing the mixer
to the tank, and sealing the tank to the crank-case. If either of them
leak ANY air at all, the engine WILL NOT RUN.
Fairbanks Morse
ZC-52 throttle governed with magneto ignition
Submitted by Elden DuRand edurand@scti.net
- Open the needle valve on mixer about 3/4 turn.
- Engage the crank in the keyway of crankshaft.
- With the crank in your right hand, use the left hand
to cover the choke-plate on the mixer.
- Spin the crank until fuel runs out of the mixer.
- Continue to spin the crank until the engine fires.
- Once the engine fires, remove the crank and adjust the
mixer for best running.
- To stop the engine, close the mixer needle valve.
Fairbanks-Morse
ZC-52 throttle governed with solid-state ignition
Submitted by Elden DuRand edurand@scti.net
- Open the needle valve on the mixer about 3/4 turn.
- Turn the flywheel backwards until you feel the compression
bump.
- Press on intake the valve stem and continue to turn the
flywheel until the exhaust valve just opens.
- Remove your finger from the intake valve and place your
left hand over the choke plate.
- Turn the flywheel about 1/2 turn clockwise.
- Repeat this operation twice more or until fuel drips
from the mixer.
- With the ignition switch turned on, slowly turn the flywheel
clockwise over compression. The engine will promptly start.
- Adjust the mixer for best running.
- To stop the engine, turn off the ignition.
Fairbanks-Morse type
"T", "Jack of All Trades" hit-n-miss engine with ignitor ignition
Submitted by Elden DuRand edurand@scti.net
Two horsepower
1902 Fairbanks-Morse Type T "Jack of All Trades" with ignitor:
- Fill the fuel tank with gasoline.
- Fill the oiler and oil all external moving parts.
- Open needle valve on oiler and let a few drops of oil flow to the
cylinder, then close it until the engine is running.
- Turn the engine until the fuel pump plunger is all the way out.
- Using the hand lever on the fuel pump, fill the mixer until you
hear fuel running back to the tank. (If you don't hear fuel running back
after twenty strokes or so, you may have to partially disassemble the pump
to unstick one or both of the ball-type valves).
- Set the needle valve on the mixer to the single mark position on
the knob (about 3/4 turn counterclockwise from off).
- Turn on the ignition.
- Engage the crank pawl into the keyway of the crankshaft on the
ignitor side of the engine. (Note that you can also engage the crank on
the mixer side but you will be cranking the engine backwards if you do.
Been there, done that!).
- While holding the intake valve open, crank the engine. Once you
have it turning at a fair clip, release the intake valve. If all's well,
the engine will fire about the second or third time over compression. Immediately
after the engine fires, pull the crank off the crankshaft.
- Set the needle valve on the mixer to the double mark position on
the knob. (about 1/4 turn from the starting position).
- Open the oiler needle until about two drops flow per minute.
- If the engine starts after the first try, the operator has permission
to stand around and look smug.
NOTE: The earlier vertical Fairbanks-Morse Type T engines had either a hot-tube system or an ignitor system, sometimes both. With the hot-tube they can be started and run on kerosene. After starting, the ignitor (if provided) can be turned on and the hot-tube can be turned off.
This writer has no experience with the hot-tube version of the Fairbanks-Morse Type T engines.
General small engines
of 2½ HP or less
Submitted by Joe Betz jlb94@juno.com
Most of my engines, I start by:
- Opening the throttle screw about 1 turn or less
- Flip the choke plate over the mouth of the mixer
- Retard the timing with the little lever by the trip
mechanism at the magneto
- Spin the flywheels until fuel runs out of the mixer
- Give it a couple of hefty pulls through compression.
- Once it fires : Advance the timing - Open the choke
- adjust the fuel.
I Do Not Use A Crank Handle
Witte 2HP run on Kerosene
Submitted by Joe Betz jlb94@juno.com
From dead cold :
- Retard the spark at the magneto by flipping the lever
forward.
- Open the fuel needle screw 5 nut facets (almost 1 turn)
- Open the primer cup on the cylinder just slightly to
allow compression release.
- Pull the flywheels through compression 5 times (this
gets kerosene to the mixer)
- At the start of the intake stroke - put a small squirt
of gasoline on the primer cup.
- Suck in the gasoline - and - on the compression stroke,
pull it through compression. It will fire.
- Once it fires - Advance timing - close primer cup.
Being that it's burning Kerosene - I have to keep mind and choke the
mixer by covering it with my hand just enough to keep it running.
I do this for a few minutes until it warms up a little.
'sbout it.
Hercules/Jaeger/Economy
Submitted by Curt Holland curt@imc-group.com
Starting a magneto engine on compression
- Fill tank and clean spark plug.
- Set lever on magneto to the ADVANCED timing position.
- Hold in intake valve in to bring piston to TDC on intake
stroke. Release valve.
- Hold hand over mixer intake (or inlet to carburettor
on TG engines.)
- Pull through intake stroke to prime with a good shot
of fuel.
- Continue to pull through until you feel compression.
- Grab top of flywheel and flip it hard, backwards, against
compression.
- If you flip it hard enough the magneto should trip and
fire the engine, reversing the direction you were turning it.
- If it fails to fire after a few attempts, repeat the
priming sequence above, or try priming it through the priming cup.
Abenaque (6HP) hit
and miss with magneto
Submitted by Curt Holland curt@imc-group.com
- Fill fuel tank.
- Turn side shaft so that fuel pump cam is up. (so fuel
pump primer can be pumped)
- Open fuel injector needle valve 1 turn.
- Manually pump fuel pump to prime until you can hear
- 3 or 4 time good squirts go in the intake chamber.
- Open priming valve.
- Turn flywheels in the running direction through compression
to TDC, letting the magneto trip.
- While slowly turning the flywheels down the power stoke,
add fuel in the priming cup. Add LOTS of fuel (several priming cup
fulls) as it is hard to start an Abby!
- You should now be about half way down the power stroke.
- Close the priming valve.
- With vigour turn the flywheels the running direction,
through the remaining power stroke, the exhaust stroke, the next intake
stroke, all while gaining momentum. It should easily go through the next
compression stroke and fire.
- Continue pulling through until it fires, usually 2 to
4 times through.
- Adjust the fuel injector needle valve for proper operation
as it warms up. Mine runs a 1/4 turn open.
Associated
Submitted by William J. Pfeiffer Jr., Sharon A. Cook, Freckles
the gutless wonderdog & Sugar the tongued terror rusty_iron@ameritech.net
Flippin the flywheels style.
- Check all the grease cups and fill as needed.
- Check the oiler and fill as needed.
- Using an oil can, lube the rocker arm, exhaust and intake
valves, cam follower, pushrod slides, bevel gear for magneto, ignitor,
and then a small amount on the skirt of the piston.
- Insure there is enough fuel in the tank by adding some.
- Check the water level in the hopper and add as needed.
- Pour a small amount of gasoline onto a nice terrycloth
rag.
- Wrap rag around the air holes of the mixer.
- Set fuel mixer at 1 1/2 turns out from closed.
- Hook wire up to the ignitor. (I never leave the wire
connected when not running)
- Turn the flywheels until I feel compression starting
to build.
- Place my hands on the rim of the flywheels, making sure
that my thumbs are not hooked around the flywheel but rather are also
on the rim of the flywheel.
- Place one foot onto the edge of the cart.
- Give a good sharp pull. Repeat from 11 as required.
- Remove rag and sit down to listen to the stack music.
Crank handle style.
- Check all the grease cups and fill as needed.
- Check the oiler and fill as needed.
- Using an oil can, lube the rocker arm, exhaust and intake
valves, cam follower, pushrod slides, bevel gear for magneto, ignitor,
and then a small amount on the skirt of the piston.
- Insure there is enough fuel in the tank by adding some.
- Check the water level in the hopper and add as needed.
- Place a thin coat of grease on the inside of the crank
handle, and also on the crankshaft.
- Set fuel mixer at 1 1/2 turns out from closed.
- Hook wire up to the ignitor. (I never leave the wire
connected when not running)
- Insure that there is no one standing right behind me
or to the rear of the engine.
- Put a glove on my cranking hand.
- Place the crank handle on the crank shaft.
- Hold the intake valve in slightly, and start cranking.
- When at sufficient speed, remove the crank handle while
still holding the intake valve open.
- Release intake valve, and push the choke plate closed.
- Release choke plate, sit down and listen to the stack
music.
The use of the crank handle works best, as the type of magneto
used requires
some speed in order to obtain sufficient spark.
Stickney hit and miss
with ignitor
Submitted by Curt Holland curt@imc-group.com
- Fill fuel tank.
- EVERY time remove the ignitor and clean carbon off of
the floating rod!
- Connect battery and turn on switch.
- Open petcock on ignitor and confirm spark. (Don't view
too close in case it fires!) Close petcock.
- Turn on fuel and prime the mixer by holding in button
on bottom of mixer until fuel begin to dribble out around button.
- Turn the flywheels slowly backwards until against compression.
- Find a friend to turn the other flywheel.
- Turn the flywheels as fast as possible the correct direction,
through the intake stroke (gaining momentum) and muscle it through the
compression stroke.
- Continue to muscle it through until it fires (usually
1st or second time around)
IHC Famous (8HP) hit
and miss ignitor engine
Submitted by Curt Holland curt@imc-group.com
- Fill fuel tank and confirm spark at ignitor.
- Manually pump fuel pump until fuel is flowing over dam
in mixer. Re-engage fuel pump pusher.
- Make sure choke is open.
- Move exhaust cam follower over to compression relief
lobe.
- Begin turning "on side" flywheel the running direction
using the right hand on the spokes.
- Once up to good speed, use left hand to shift lever off
of compression relief.
- At the same moment turn the choke full on.
- Continue pulling hard on the flywheel spokes with right
hand.
- It should sufficient momentum to suck in a full charge,
go through a full compression cycle, and fire the first time.
Kohler light plant
Submitted by Frank DeWitt frank@lbpinc.com
Startup
- Plug in light
- Turn on light
Shut down
- Turn off light.
For a first time startup at a show a few more thing are needed.
- Connect 2 12 volt batteries in series.
- Connect a ground (even if it is a large screwdriver
pushed into the soil)
- Open fuel shutoff
- Pump fuel pump lever by hand until no resistance is felt.
- Plug in light
- When engine is up to temperature, disconnect one wire
from the electric choke so that the engine will start better for the
rest of the show.
Warning, It is considered friendly to offer 120VAC
to near by campers who need to charge batteries, run radios, ETC but
do not plug in a flashing light as the only load.
Galoway 16HP ignitor hit-n-miss
Submitted by Dave Rotigel rotigel@westol.com
- Turn on the gas
- Open the compression release about half way and pull
her through twice.
- Then stopped her 90 degrees ATDC.
- Close the compression release
- Hook up the battery and "tickle" the ignitor.
- Opened the compression release just as the engine comes
up on compression after firing the first time.
- She will go through compression and fire again (harder)
- Shut the compression release!
Witte side shaft (9hp)
Submitted by Ron Haskell rdhaskell@juno.com
- 1. Turn all grease cups, oil lubrication points.
- Hold intake valve open and rotate engine just past top
dead center on the compression stroke.
- Turn on fuel and ignition switch.
- Slide roller for exhaust valve to the rear for compression
release mode.
- Place right hand on the flywheel spoke in the 3 o'clock
position, palm down.
- Rotate flywheel two complete revolutions and engine should
be running, if not pull exhaust roller back to the release position and
complete the cycle again.
- If it is still not running ( usually only when the engine
is cold), turn off the fuel and rotate a couple more times while in
the compression release mode. When it fires, let it fire twice then
turn on the fuel and adjust speed.
- Step back and smile widely, enjoy.
1/2 breed 15HP Natural
Gas two cycle (ex steam engine)
Submitted by Glenn Wilson wilson@stny.rr.com
Ok - I have an engine very much like Tilley - it is a 1/2 breed 15HP natural gas two cycle that has been factory converted from a steam engine to a two cycle natural gas engine that I run on propane. The cylinder and main casting of the engine say "Manwaring & Havens" & "Sheffield". I assume made in Sheffield, PA.
I'm sure there are lots of ways to run it but I found what works for me is to burn the hot tube flame so the 6" stainless steel hot tube (purchased from John Burns) is entirely red. Connect an accumulator in front of the gas/air mixture input made of 4" pipe about 4 feet long fed from a regulator set to about 2PSI. In between the accumulator and the engine is a 3/8" DIAMOND valve. This is Much more controllable than a larger size! The head itself has one threaded connection that sticks straight out as if to hold a spark plug. In this hole, Is a short nipple that sticks out, a tee with vertical hot tube and another nipple with a ball valve that opens to the air.
Then, to start the engine, you open the valve to the atmosphere, close the diamond valve and turn the engine over at least twice. More times don't hurt anything. Leave the piston at BDC. Close the air valve, open the gas valve to exactly 1/8. Put your foot up on a spoke and grab the top of the one flywheel (there is a clutch on the other side - only one steam engine flywheel) and give it a bit of a turn back into compression. As soon as it fires, and it will 90% of the time with this method, you have to immediately open the gas valve ever so little until it fires again. Then keep your hand on the gas valve and do tiny tiny adjustments until the engine is running nice and comes up to temperature.
This engine runs like a four stroke when unloaded - i.e., ever other compression stroke is only a small explosion and every other is a good hard hit. If you crack the gas valve open farther, it will hit hit hit but run too fast. I haven't had it loaded it but suspect if it had a belt load on it, you could give it more gas and it would hit hard every time.
I am writing this at 2am and reserve the right to change the the 1) length of the stainless steel pipe, 2) the gas pressure in the accumulator, and 3) the setting on the diamond valve because I haven't run the engine since last fall but I believe what I have written above is true and correct.
I LOVE this engine bought off eBay, sight unseen, for $850 on my way to my first Portland show ever in the summer of 2001. The engine was 4 hours west. The show was another 7 hours farther west.
Large compressor /
engine with shared crank shaft
Submitted by Clarke L. McGee mcgam@acnet.net
I guess from the stories I have been sharing here all of you must think that I must be about 100 years old, but I am only a little over half of that! But talking about starting big engines... Back in the mid '60's I worked for Texsun Corp, a juice/canning plant. This plant even converted the citrus pulp to cow feed! in this process the excess water, citrus oil and left over juice was concentrated into "molasses" by boiling it at a low temperature. The equipment used was a very large air compressor/engine that operated from one crankshaft with the power cylinder at one end and the compressor at the other end. This unit had 2 flywheels on it that were 6 to 7 ft in dia. Starting sequence was very interesting, and consisted of the following steps. 1. The engine was turned over by hand until the engine piston was just past TDC. 2. Then the operator manipulated some small hand valves introducing air into the cylinder in order to mane the engine start to turn over, similar to a steam engine. 3. When the engine was rotating at a fir rate (>20 rpm) the operator switched other valves on the engine to conduct in natural gas and started the ignition system. This would start the engine firing and bring it up to speed, which seemed to be about 100 to 200 rpm. After this plant closed I guess those units were scrapped. What A Waste!
2 1/4 hp. Galloway
(Early Style..oiler behind hopper)
Submitted by Rick Strobel ricandkath@msn.com
Preflight/Lube/Gas-Up Review emergency shutdown proceedures in my head. Open main fuel valve. Push in on the movable igniter contact several times..This "scrubs" the contacts. Open mixer needle valve one quarter turn, close choke (This is for the old mixer w/air shutter). Open cc oiler, adjust drip rate. I've got mine dripping once every ten seconds. New rings. Postion spark advance on Webster bracket to the right hand position.(START) Pull thru several times until mixer is flooded, close mixer needle valve. Pull thru until engine hits once, quickly open air shutter (just a little) and needle valve 1/4 turn. If it hits the second time, you will find yourself smiling. Move spark advance to the left (run) position. Adjust air/fuel mixture until exhaust is clear and running nicely..lot's of miss. After I'm happy that it's running nice..I then add water to the hopper.
Preheating the mixer/head and using hot water in the hopper is permitted if you weigh in excess of 250 lbs. or you're "Packin'." This really helps to vaporize the fuel.
To Stop..shut off fuel. Now I don't drain the hopper until water temp. cools down to approx. ambient. Just a personal thing as I fear hot spots might develop in head, cyl. piston....open to discusssion.
Go out next day and wipe up the oily mess...forgot to turn that damn oiler off again:-)
Damn, this is FUN!!
General Tip To Start
Almost Any Engine
Submitted by Jim Parenteau jimp53@juno.com
I'll offer a few tips that i have found to make it easier to start most any engine: (i'm fairly lazy & not muscular)
To precharge cyl prior to starting, hold intake valve open, bring to tdc on comp stroke, choke, and flip it.. you get 2 suction strokes without having to pull it thru compression. hold intake valve open and slowly back engine up till you get to tdc on comp stroke.
Repeat as needed until you have fuel dripping from mixer. on the last one, release hand from choke just before it quits sucking, this will suck the fuel mixture in nicely. then, bring to bdc of comp stroke, (it should already be there) hold intake valve open and rotate until you know you can pull i thru comp with some speed. (on 4 hp ottawa this is about half way) it should fire.
I do all this while kneeling next to the engine, (skided) then I get up and pull it thru comp and it should lite. you have to fine-tune this method for each of your engines, but it's worth it.
I've seen lots of people using one guy pulling flywheels and the other guy running the choke, etc, for a long time just to get an explosive mixture into the cyl..
This method only works with trip type mags or impulse magnetos, but could save some cranking on non-impulse as well.
Lister Diesel Engine
Marks 3-1, 5-1, 10-2 (and probably for 6-1 and 12-2 as well) - the Lister
'CS' series.
Submitted by Peter Scales peter@loud-n-clear.net
Points 1 to 7 apply to the singles, 3-1, 5-1 (6-1), 8 to 15 to all models.
- Remove Crankcase Door and pour in Lubricating oil of the correct
quality till it overflows into the sump.
- Using engine oil in oil can, well oil connecting rod big end through
the holes provided.
- Open oil Filler Cover.
- Fill sump with oil to within one inch of the top.
- Work pump hand lever up and down and see that oil is delivered through
the oil pipes inside the crankcase on to the main bearings.
- Replace crankcase door.
- Close oil Filler cover and screw wing nut tight. (Note - do
not open while engine is running as oil will be forced out.)
- Fill recess in cylinder head round the valves with lubricating oil.
- Fill tops of push-rods and tops of Tappets. [with oil]
- Fill small greaser on valve rocker shaft and screw down a turn.
- Place oil in small cup labelled "oil", near valve tappets.
- Fill water cooling system with water, avoiding "hard" water wherever
possible. In case of tank cooling, open 3-way tap in bottom water
tank connection so that the water can flow freely from tank into cylinder
jacket. (Keep water above top connection in tank.)
- Fill fuel tank using fine gauze strainer.
- Turn on fuel tap on fuel tank.
- Prime fuel system.
"To Start Engine" (all models)
- See that the valve lifter stud is underneath the exhaust valve
tappet.
- Turn Governor Lever Handle downwards.
- Lift Overload Pawl to allow governor lever to move to maximum
position. This Pawl will return to Normal as soon as engine starts.
- Screw the compression ratio changeover Valve(s) inwards tight
on to seat.
- Place the starting handle on the engine crankshaft, and turn
smartly. When a good speed has been obtained on the flywheel, pull valve
lifter stud from under exhaust valve tappet when the engine should immediately
fire. On multi-cylinder engines the other stud should be pulled out immediately
after.
- As son as the engine has attained its normal speed, open the
compression ratio changeover valve by screwing the hand wheel(s) outwards
until it (they) come(s) to a stop.
- NOTE. When Changeover Valve is screwed in [it beds] against
seating at A Fig. 3; when screwed out, against seating at B. These
seatings should be kept free from carbon. This can be done by turning
valve hand wheel backwards and forwards once or twice before leaving in final
position, tight up.
[For lightly loaded engines (1/3 load or less) it may be advantageous to run on low compression for reasons of less smoke.]
"To Stop" (all models) Push up Governor-Control Lever.
If frost is probable, drain cylinder jacket, also water circulating pump if fitted.
Lister 10-2 Diesel
Engine (and probably 12-2 as well)
Submitted by Peter Scales peter@loud-n-clear.net
1. Remove Crankcase Door and fill the connecting rod troughs with lubricating oil of the correct quality. 2. Using engine oil in oil can, well oil connecting rod big end through the holes provided. 3. Open Oil Filler Cover. 4. Fill sump with oil to within one inch of the top. 5. Turn Engine over by hand until oil is delivered through the three oil pipes inside the crankcase on to the main bearings. 6. Replace Crankcase Door.
"To Start Engine" (all models)
- See that the valve lifter stud is underneath the exhaust valve tappet.
- Turn Governor Lever Handle downwards.
- Lift Overload Pawl to allow governor lever to move to maximum position.
This Pawl will return to Normal as soon as engine starts.
- Screw the compression ratio changeover Valve(s) inwards tight on
to seat.
- Place the starting handle on the engine crankshaft, and turn smartly.
When a good speed has been obtained on the flywheel, pull valve lifter stud
from under exhaust valve tappet when the engine should immediately fire.
On multi-cylinder engines the other stud should be pulled out immediately
after.
- As son as the engine has attained its normal speed, open the compression
ratio changeover valve by screwing the hand wheel(s) outwards until it (they)
come(s) to a stop.
- NOTE. When Changeover Valve is screwed in [it beds] against
seating at A Fig. 3; when screwed out, against seating at B. These
seatings should be kept free from carbon. This can be done by turning
valve hand wheel backwards and forwards once or twice before leaving in final
position, tight up.
[For lightly loaded engines (1/3 load or less) it may be advantageous to
run on low compression for reasons of less smoke.]
"To Stop" (all models)
Push up Governor-Control Lever.
If frost is probable, drain cylinder jacket, also water circulating pump
if fitted.
Fairbanks Morse type RE 50hp
Submitted by Larry Evans lfevans@pacbell.net
Starting a 1911 50 hp. Fairbanks Morse type RE engine. This is a 2
cylinder vertical engine running on gasoline. Engine is a standard
4 stroke cycle, equipped with ignitors and uses compressed air for starting.
This engine is located in the power house where it was originally installed
and is directly connected to a 120 VDC 40KW generator. It supplied
electrical power for the astronomical observatory located at Mt. Wilson,
California.
- Start electric air compressor to fill storage tanks.
- Hook up garden hose to cooling system to fill water jackets.
Make sure drain valve is closed and then turn on water. Keep filling
until the overflow water is heard running in the adjacent shower room. Originally
this was the only source of warm showers on the grounds.
- While the air tanks and water jackets are filling start climbing
up on the engine with pump type oiler in hand and start lubricating everything
that moves that is not lubricated by one of the built in systems. There
are many different linkages, pivot points, etc. that need attention.
While up on the engine also turn the grease cups on the valve rocker arms
in some. Also check that the reservoir for the drip oiler system
has sufficient oil.
- Open the proper shutter in the air intake system depending on weather
conditions. The engine can draw air from outside the building, inside
the building or from a housing around the exhaust manifold for heated air.
Also close the shutter that is used as a choke.
- Open valve in oil supply line from the overhead tank that feeds
the 13 dripper manifold. Open the flipper on each dripper and check
for proper drip rate in each of the 13 sight glasses. Allow to run
for a few minutes to pre-lube the bearings then close the main valve but
leave drippers open.
- Check that the spark advance lever is in the retard position for
starting.
- Open vents in the fuel system at level of intake manifold and then
use manual lever on the cam driven fuel pump to fill glass fuel bowl.
- After two minutes of pumping and nothing happens then remember to
open vent on fuel tank and also the valve between tank and fuel pump and
try again. Stop when fuel bowl is full.
- Open needle valve for each cylinder appropriate amount for starting.
The needles happen to be ground to different tapers so it is not the same
for each one.
- Move "air start" lever to start position. This converts one
of the cylinders to an air operated motor for starting by changing the valve
timing. The intake valve is kept closed all the time and the exhaust
valve opens every time the piston moves up. There is an additional
valve on this cylinder that admits compressed air every time the piston is
just beyond top dead center when it is open to rotate the engine.
- Open the compression release valve on each cylinder.
- Manually turn flywheels until pistons (they move simultaneously)
are just past top dead center.
- Close compression release valves.
- Turn on switch that supplies power to the small motor that turns
the low voltage generator that supplies the ignitors and close the knife
switch for each ignitor.
- Open valve in oil supply line.
- Open compressed air valve and engine should start turning over.
- If all is well after a few revolutions the "non converted" cylinder
should fire.
- Close compressed air valve.
- Move the air start lever to the "run" position changing this cylinder
back to an internal combustion mode.
- Move the ignition advance lever to the "run" position.
- Open the choke.
- By now the engine should be running on both cylinders and you should
twiddle (technical term) the needle valves to achieve smooth operation.
- Open the cooling water valve.
- Step outside and enjoy the sound of 2600 cubic inches firing through
a 6 inch straight exhaust pipe.
- For shut down, close needle valves and kill power to the ignitors
and then shut off oilers, cooling water, fuel, etc.
Just for a smile...
Quite a few people sent through funny examples - I include them
to give you a bit of a laugh, I'm sure if you've ever tried to start a
recalcitrant engine, you'll be able to relate and get a bit of a laugh....
Rope start lawn mower - smile version
Submitted by Rob Skinner rskinner@rustyiron.com
Go to the gas station to get gas. Put some fresh gas in the tank. Turn on the choke. Pull the rope. Pull the rope. Break the rope. Remove starter housing. Cut finger on coil spring. Mend laceration with electrical tape. Go get a beer. Finish replacement of the rope. Pull the rope. Pull the rope. Pull the rope. Take out the plug. Slowly crank over engine. Replace plug. Pull the rope. Pull the rope. Remember to hook up the plug wire. Pull the rope some more. VROOOM VROOOM! Start mowing the perimeter. Sneeze continuously from dust and grass pollen. Blow nose. Wipe tears from eyes. Keep mowing 'cuz it's almost done. Break sprinkler head. Quit. Get another beer. Call gardener.
Maytag - smile version
Submitted by Elden DuRand edurand@scti.net
- - Fill tank with proper gasoline/smoke-making mixture.
- - Set choke.
- - Assume the starting position with foot over stomper.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Remove spark plug and check for oil fouling.
- - Replace spark plug and check for -OUCH!!"- spark.
- - Assume the starting position with foot over stomper.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,POP,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,POP,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,POP,POP,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,POP,duh,duh,POP,duh,duh, POP,POP,duh,duh
POP, duh,duh,duh,duh,duh....
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Hurl choice expletives at the recalcitrant motor.
- - Adjust mixture.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,POP,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Expletive deleted.
- - Stomp!...duh,POP,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,POP,POP,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Jump up and down to try to get kink out of knee.
- - Hurl salty oath at infernal machine.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Stomp!...duh,duh,duh,duh,duh.
- - Go looking for your axe........
Results could vary......
And in defence of the Maytag...
Submitted by Alan Bowen alanb2@webtv.net
Just keep it up, Elden, and I'll bring a Maytag to Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell and set up right next to you so you can smell and listen to it run all day.
At home, or at a show, my Maytag single starts first kick. Last Spring I set it out on the ground to get something else out of a storage van. It was too close because when I turned around with my hands full and bumped the kick start lever it almost started. I had the same fuel in it from the last show in the summer before. I just gave it a little kick and it ran till the fuel ran out.
It's setting in the basement now and I have to be careful or I'll start it by accident.
If I had the room to haul the equipment I would be doing the laundry at Lincoln's show. Let some of the kids use my scrub board and hand crank rollers and let others just watch one of my Maytags wash clothes and feed some through the powered rollers. I did it both ways as a kid. Mom's Maytag had an electric motor on it though.
I bought my Maytag single cheap from a guy at a swap meet that spent two days kicking at it and couldn't make it run. I kept bugging him and just happened to be there when he gave the last kick. That was the one that smashed the beautiful CEDAR one-by skids that some idiot had put under it. He cut his price in half and AFTER I had paid him he went and got the rest of the display. I now have a nice Shotgun Maytag.
I took it home and let it set for a day. Then I cleaned the plug and removed the little mixture lever. I then screwed the needle IN 3 1/2 TURNS!!!! I put the lever back on so it was just barely off the casting then pointed it straight up. I made a 2x4 frame to mount it to and set it on the ground. FIRST kick it fired up and ran.
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