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Look what I found... a Ruston Hornsby PB 3

Select this link for the June 2005 Update - The Recovery from the forest...
or go to June 19th 2005 Home and in Good Nick!
02 July 2005 - Tearing the engine down
On a sunny Sunday at the start of October 2003 I was invited to a mate's newly aquired farm to help begin cleaning it up. As an incentive I was promised a look at something he'd found. When I got up there he pointed at the forest and said there is an engine shed in there somewhere...
forest

I ventured down into the forest, camera in hand and kept heading down towards the creek. After about 10 minutes of climbing downwards (and sliding on my bum) I came across the "engine shed" such as it was...
the engine shed

I peered inside and cleared away the remains and found...
both
A Ruston Hornsby PB SNo. 227936 3HP @ 600/700 RPM imported from England by Ruston Hornsby Melbourne and a Billabong piston pump.

pb3

top

pump

The general plan is to mount the engine into a crate and drag it out of the forest using a tractor and winch, then take the crate back in for the pump. Should be a reasonbly straight forward restore of both.

The piston pump is mostly ok, the rods that the crossheads move back and forth on are so expanded with rust that the crosshead is jammed. The flywheels, gears, and pistons themselves seem free.  He wants to restore the pump for use on the farm.

The RH is in reasonable condition - it is missing a magneto (but this is a Lucas RS-1 - not exactly hard to find - in fact I have a temporary surplus mounted on a very dead Cooper sitting in my yard). The piston is stuck (of course). The whole thing has been under water many times. The carb is full of water and crud, but otherwise probably ok. The castings seem good. I really hope that the piston is somewhere near TDC or this is going to be a bugger to fix.

Even the orignal leather belt and a fuel can were sitting by the engine. The belt is useless and the can is rusted out... there is more stuff in the engine shed remains and I'll try to salvage whatever is there. There was too much work to do on the day to spend hours at the engine shed site sifting.

I'm aiming to have both home by summer and get them up and running as a winter project.

June 2005 Update - The Recovery From The Forest...

So much for the getting it home by summer 2003.... hehehe....
Yesterday the job of recovering Ruston Hornsby PB SNo. 227936 was completed with the engine arriving home... next is the huge task of restoring the ugly little monster.

On the first weekeend in June we started the first haul and fished it out of the creek and up onto the creek bank - a 3 metre (yard) vertical haul done with block and tackle and ropes pulled by hand. This took us more than four hours to accomplish and was extremely hard going even with two of us. The job was made worse by the slippery clay soil.

On the Sunday of the Queen's Birthday long weekend with the aid of 250 metres of rope, the same two blocks and a power winch we dragged it on skids up a 45 degree slope through about 75 metres of tangled rain forest area trying to minimise the damage as we went to both the forest and the engine. The fun bit was the cheapie winch only had 15 metres of cable and had to rest for a few minutes after each pull. With four rope runs through the blocks, the 15 metres of pull on the winch translated into stuff all movement at the engine end of the rope! That took another four hours of careful tedious work.

The engine casting is in good condition externally and is only missing the magneto (should be a Lucas RS-1 I believe. I have a spare Lucas, but I think I'll have to get its rotational direction reversed to go on this engine from memory - but I'll wait until I get it rotating to find out).

The engine is frozen solid. The speed control knob shaft has absorbed water and expanded and split. All external nuts have expanded and split. External bolts and studs look pretty good. It still had a spark plug which crumbled apart in my hands leaving only the porcelain and inner electrode. It even still had a hand crank (buried under the engine). The fuel tank was found on the creek bank - basically just a perforated metal box. The original leather drive belt was found and salvaged - with a hot lanolin bath it might just survive.

Inside? Who knows... today I have to work on the house since I spent two days on the weekend doing my stuff :). If I get the new stairs finished early enough, then I'll pull the engine apart today.

Next trip will be to recover the Billabong pump. The pump piston and gears are free, but the motion shafts are expanded with rust sticking the pump itself in place. I managed to break off its supply pipe. To give you an idea of how wet it is in the area the engine and pump were found the supply pipe was a 1" iron pipe, it had expanded externally to almost 2" - amazing!

The engine must have been running fairly recently as its fuel pipe is clear plastic tubing.

Serial numbers I've taken at rallies with maker dates when known suggest this engine was probably made around 1943.

We've found evidence of several other engines around the property, but this one appears to be the only survivor. I found a muffler from a Casey motor (Australian copy of a Fairbanks railway speeder motor) and several miscellaneous parts around the place. We still have not found the farm dump - but there may not be one, the previous owners seemed to just leave stuff wherever it died. It may be buried, or be under one of the black berry forests! We found a truck under black berries only about 100 metres from the house which we had no idea was there until we burnt the black berries. The truck was too far gone before the fire to save. It will bring a few dollars from the scrappie to help around the farm.

No new photos because it looks just the same and we were too busy working to photograph the work!! :)

June 19th 2005 - Home and in good nick!

The Ruston is home and in amazingly good condition - this evening after I finished all the things I'd promised the household manager (ok, so not quite... there is still a pile of brick rubble from the old stairs in the front yard...)
engine home in trailer
Home in the trailer (this is as far as it got last weekend...). I dosed everything liberally with WD-40 (don't you just love the $4 four packs of this goop?).

head off
I thought that the first thing I should do is get the head off and assess the bore - decide if this is a short term or long term project. Getting the head off was fairly easy. One of the nuts was in good enough condition to remove the "normal" way, but the others were split using a cold chisel and a BFH all purpose tool. The studs are re-usable and even the copper gasket is a possibility - it is at least good enough to be a pattern for a new one.

I managed to free the air intake choke plate on the carby and the float chamber is not as badly off as I thought it would be. I was not able to free up the speed control knob but one thing at a time. I don't just want to attack it like I did the nuts on the head. I'll give the WD-40 a chance to do its job.

head condition
The head actually looks really good - I don't think this engine has done a lot of work. There is no scarring or pitting on the surface. The white stuff is a deposit of some sort of carbon & coke. Certainly not water damage. Whatever it is just flakes off to the touch. There is a lot of crap in the water spaces (surprise!) but no water entered the head itself. This head won't need anything more than sand blasting or a wire brush to clean it up nicely. I might even give Molassis a go this time...

bore condition
Rust coloured bore? Certainly, but not rusty. It is fairly smooth to touch - I cannot say what it is like behind the piston, but I don't think it is the bore that is holding this engine stuck in place. Once the piston is out (making the brash assumption the water did not get onto the other size of it) this bore will be good with only a hone. Why the good condition? Take a look at the valves... they're both down the bottom of the picture - yep, both closed. The black one on the right is the exhaust valve and the other is the intake. The exhaust valve is likely to be stuck in place because the exhaust pipe was so rusty it rotted away and I hate to think what the stem and guide are like. The intake should be ok. The surface (on this side) of both valves is good. Either this engine was last stopped by someone who knew what they were doing, or it involved some amazing luck for me.

My prognosis so far? This patient will have a short term recovery. This could change when I delve in a bit more deeply next week. I'm vaguely aiming at getting this thing running at Emerald Winterfest which is only a few weeks away!


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